Welcome to Ep 164: Creative and Expressive Learning Pathways with Jill Weidknecht Van Horne. Jill Weidknecht Van Horne, PhD, is my friend and colleague and is an Associate Professor and the Program Director of the Professional School Counseling Program at Appalachian State University. She is also the past president of the European Branch of the American Counseling Association and past vice-president of the North Carolina Association for Play Therapy. Her equine therapy class has been featured on our local PBS affiliate UNC-TV and I have a link to that video and her newly released book for which she is an editor writing under the name Jill Weidknecht in the resources. The book is Treatment Planning, Writing, and Documentation in Creative and Expressive Arts Therapies: A Guide for Mental Health Professionals. In our conversation, we discuss the connections between UDL and expressive and creative arts therapies and consider how her work in play therapy and equine-assisted therapy provides an empathetic lens for her to better understand learner variability and the various pathways for learning in her students. Thank you for listening to the Think UDL podcast!