BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast

Think the BRRRR method (buy, rehab, rent, refinance, repeat) is dead because of high interest rates and rising home prices? Think again. We’re doing BRRRR deals right now that are making us cash flow and serious equity while most investors sit on the sidelines. But how do we FIND these money-making BRRRR deals? We’re sharing the new BRRRR formula in today’s episode, along with more questions and answers from the BiggerPockets Forums.
Besides uncovering our BRRRR secrets, we’re helping an investor scale from single-family rentals to multifamily rentals. This is a BIG jump, and there’s a smarter way to scale your way up to big, new-build multifamily buildings. Next, an investor finally sees the light, realizing cash flow ISN’T everything. He’s about to walk into a nice chunk of equity with his new property, but is the cash flow TOO low (should he worry)?
What were you thinking about when you were 18? Maybe you were stressing out about college applications or sleeping in until noon. One ambitious young investor wants to get his first rental at just 18 years old, but on this rare occasion, we advise against it. If you’re in his position, too, we’d recommend doing something else first. Finally, are “small towns” too risky to invest in? How small is too small? We’re getting into it in this episode!
Looking to invest? Need answers? Ask your question on the BiggerPockets Forums!

In This Episode We Cover:
How to BRRRR in 2025 and how Henry finds his undervalued real estate deals
The pitfalls of scaling from single to multifamily rentals and how to do it the right way
Is a low cash flow rental worth it for a five-figure equity gain once purchased?
How to start investing in real estate at a very young age (18 years old!)
Investing in small towns and how to see where the big companies are going first
And So Much More!

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(00:00) Intro
(01:00) How to BRRRR in 2025
(09:03) Scaling from Single to Multifamily
(15:36) Low Cash Flow Worth It?
(20:09) Start Investing at 18?
(24:20) Buying in “Small” Towns
(31:13) Ask Your Question!

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Don’t buy in good school districts. Always end your leases in winter. NEVER raise rents on a tenant.
These are just some of the “Dionisms” that have made Dion McNeeley, the so-called “lazy investor,” rich with rental properties. He achieved financial freedom, retiring early with a $200,000/year passive income after slowly, steadily, and lazily investing for the past decade.
Want to never swing a hammer? You don’t have to! Want tenants to stick around as long as possible? They will! Too scared to have the rent raise talk? Let Dion do it for you! In this episode, we’re breaking down the ten different “Dionisms” (unconventional landlord advice) that have literally made Dion millions and can do the same for you. 
Dion went from debt-riddled to multi-millionaire in just over a decade, starting his journey making just $17/hour, with three kids and very little time. If Dion can reach financial freedom with FEWER rentals, why can’t you? 

In This Episode We Cover:
Dion’s small (but mighty) financial freedom-enabling real estate portfolio 
Dion’s “binder strategy” that has tenants raise rents FOR you 
Why Dion never has his leases expire in the summer (even though EVERYONE says to do this)
Buying in average school districts? Dion says DON’T buy near good schools (and he’s right)
The surprising reason why the “worst states to invest in” will make you the richest 
And So Much More!
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(00:00) Intro
(01:42) Low Income, High Debt, Lots of Responsibility
(05:33) $21,000/Month Portfolio!
(08:20) Have FEWER Rentals
(11:51) 1. DON'T Raise Rents
(18:18) 2. End Leases in the Winter
(21:05) 3. DON’T Buy Near Good Schools
(26:45) 4. DON’T Diversify
(29:59) 5. DON’T Use LLCs
(32:29) 6. Buy in BLUE States
(37:30) 7. Value-Add Isn’t Worth It
(40:23) Be Like Dion!

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Though only five years into his rental property investing career, David Rosenbeck is making a seven-figure wealth-building move. If it all pans out, he’ll be one million dollars (or more) richer, with a brand new investment property that’ll spit out $7,000 cash flow monthly! This is a DREAM real estate deal that any investor wishes they could get their hands on…but here’s the thing: anyone can do this, and you can 'build' your own deal from scratch!
After making $100,000 in his first 18 months of investing, David knew he had a knack for real estate investing. He was a nurse practitioner and in no way wanted to give up his sizable six-figure salary, but he knew he wanted to scale his real estate portfolio in a big way. The problem? Deals are hard to come by, and David’s main strategy—medium-term rentals (renting to traveling nurses)—was getting saturated. So, he searched for something new and landed on a big opportunity: build his OWN short-term rental in one of the hottest destinations in the US but build it specifically to beat the competition.
He found the money and the dirt to build on and is off to the races—keeping his small portfolio while taking a big risk for a massive reward: a million-dollar equity upside if he pulls it off. Want to hear how you can create your own seven-figure opportunity? David is sharing, step-by-step, exactly how he did it!

In This Episode We Cover:
How David is ‘building’ a seven-figure equity-upside real estate deal
Using other people’s money to invest in real estate (and how to do it the RIGHT way)
How David scaled from zero to eight rentals in just three years
The bright side of short-term rental regulations and the market that David feels very confident in
How to find a builder/developer for your first new construction rental property (and vet them BEFORE you start!)
And So Much More!

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(00:00) Intro
(01:44) Nurse Practitioner Turned Investor
(06:02) 8 Rentals in 3 years!
(09:34) Ditching Medium-Term Rentals for…
(14:27) Development Details
(16:48) Building the Perfect Property
(24:21) Finding Your Builder
(26:51) How Much He’ll Make
(30:34) Become a BiggerPockets Guest!

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The 2025 housing market has already defied most expectations, but a worrying “shift” could throw everything off track. Home prices keep rising in every major metro—even with interest rates stuck in the sevens. It seems that nothing can stop the wave of demand hitting home sellers even as affordability reaches lows we haven’t seen in decades. But what could be the housing market’s kryptonite—the one thing that could lead to lower prices and distress in the market?
Today, we’re giving you a Q1 housing market update with the latest data coming in from January 2025, sharing must-know metrics about home sales, prices, mortgage rates, buyer demand, and even mortgage delinquencies. 
Is Dave already off on his 2025 housing market predictions? He could be, as housing has seen unexpected strength despite last year’s big election, inflation rising once again, and interest rates more than double what they were just a few years ago. Will we see mortgage rates (and prices) drop at any point this year? What’s the one thing that could flip this housing market? We’re getting into the mystery metric you MUST watch to know what’s coming next.

In This Episode We Cover:
A Q1 2025 housing market update: prices, rates, demand, inventory, and more!
One troubling metric that could spell pain for the housing market in 2025 
The markets where inventory is exploding, but does that mean prices will fall?
Is there a chance that mortgage rates will drop this year, or has the Fed paused for good?
The often overlooked (and cheap!) real estate markets seeing sizable home price appreciation 
And So Much More!

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New Tariffs Mean Much More for Mortgage Rates Than You Think
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Is now finally the time to get back into Airbnb investing? We all knew about the Airbnb bubble that formed shortly after lockdowns. With low interest rates and local vacationing exploding, everyone wanted to cash in on the short-term rental craze. The result? Inexperienced hosts flooded the market with half-baked Airbnb listings, leading to an oversaturation in vacation rentals and stricter short-term rental laws. But things are beginning to change.
Avery Carl, arguably the most knowledgeable short-term rental investor in the country and author of Smarter Short-Term Rentals, has NEVER sold a vacation rental due to poor performance. In fact, she’s stayed booked and busy while new short-term rental investors struggle to fill their units. How does she do it? And why does she think now is the time to double down on traditional vacation rental markets?
Avery gives her expert advice on where (and what) to buy, how to boost your Airbnb bookings even in crowded markets, and why you don’t need every amenity under the sun to attract guests. Plus, why are Airbnb bans a good thing? Avery shares why some investors will thrive while others fight to survive in the new short-term rental space.
Take advantage of the new Airbnb upside with Avery’s book Smarter Short-Term Rentals. 

In This Episode We Cover:
Short-term rental market update and why Avery believes “stabilization” is here 
Why newbies are too scared to get into Airbnb investing (and how you can take advantage) 
Picking an Airbnb market and why you can’t follow the “top markets” lists 
What to do if your short-term rental is underperforming and you can’t get guests 
Are Airbnb bans a good thing? Which markets will benefit because of it? 
And So Much More!

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(00:00) Intro
(01:43) Short-Term Rental Market Update
(04:54) Newbies Scared Off?
(06:52) What to Buy Right Now
(09:52) Picking an Airbnb Market
(12:10) RELAX with the Amenities
(17:42) Is Your Airbnb Underperforming?
(23:57) Future of Short-Term Rentals
(27:45) Grab Avery’s Book!



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Imagine making $1,500,000 on one regular real estate deal. We’re not talking about a huge apartment complex or commercial real estate investment. $1,500,000 on a single-family home purchase. How is that even possible? Dina Onur is more than a million dollars richer after spotting one rare real estate investing “upside” at the closing table. And the best part? She’s just a regular, everyday investor.
Dina runs her own home healthcare business and is a mom of three, but she decided, “I’m not busy enough; let’s start buying (and renovating) rentals!” So, that’s exactly what she did. Her clients routinely had houses to sell, so instead of passing them along to real estate agents she knew, Dina made the jump, buying a triplex to test her hand at rental property investing. She did a BIG renovation but created some serious sweat equity as a result. The next rental? Double the size—a six-unit investment property.
But, none of these compare to the one deal that is making her over a million dollars. This was such a rare find that Dina was offered hundreds of thousands of dollars over the asking price to sell it to other investors. She refused, and if you can find a property like hers, you too could make a seven-figure profit on your next real estate deal.

In This Episode We Cover:
How Dina made $1,500,000 on a real estate deal everyone else overlooked
Pulling yourself up from bankruptcy to rebuild your financial life
The one reason you ALWAYS check the zoning of a property before you buy
Why Dina refuses to invest in single-family homes and sees them as too risky
Using a HELOC (home equity line of credit) to fund your home renovations 
Financing new construction and a sneaky way to get around the massive down payment
And So Much More!

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(00:00) Intro
(00:55) Young Business Owner to Bankruptcy
(02:17) Accidentally Finding Real Estate
(06:41) Finding Her First Deal
(09:29) Huge Renovations, But BIG Rewards
(17:12) Tearing Down Her House for This?
(20:12) Making $1.5M on One DEAL!?
(26:19) What's Next?

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Out-of-state real estate investing is making a comeback, becoming one of the best investing strategies of 2025. Why? Home prices in most coastal markets have exploded, forcing investors in pricey areas to look elsewhere for real estate deals that work. Thankfully, America is a big country with plenty of profitable real estate markets, so even if you’re priced out of your own area, you can still invest elsewhere.
So, how do you start? What should you do going into a new market as a new investor? Kathy Fettke is returning to the show as our resident long-distance real estate expert, showing you how to buy out-of-state investment properties in just a few simple steps. Anyone (and we mean ANYONE) can follow these steps to purchase a profitable property from a distance, even if it’s your first rental.
We’re giving you an exact roadmap of everything you need to know: how to choose markets, find deals, analyze them, get property management, and start renting them out even if you live thousands of miles away.

In This Episode We Cover:
How to pick an out-of-state investing market and whether you need to visit it first
Analyzing deals from a distance and key factors to get right (insurance, property taxes, and more)
How to buy a house sight unseen, EVEN as a beginner investor
The one type of rental property Kathy says you should buy for your first rental
What to tell a property manager as soon as you close on your first long-distance rental
And So Much More!

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(00:00) Intro
(01:31) Why Invest Out of State?
(05:51) 1. Pick (and Visit!) Markets
(11:00) Meet with Agents/Property Managers
(15:17) 2. Define a "Good" Deal
(17:16) Buy New/Turnkey?
(20:45) Know Your "Advantage"
(23:43) 3. Make an Offer
(27:47) How to Buy Sight Unseen
(30:18) 4. Close and Manage the Rental
(33:22) Reviewing the Steps


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How do you get higher rents, more appreciation, and bigger returns from real estate investing in 2025? It’s easy—copy the experts. They’re doing it over dozens of deals, so why not apply their same tactics to your properties? That’s precisely what we’re sharing in today’s episode—the “upside” tactics ANYONE can use on ANY investment property to create more cash flow, better equity upside, and make their future selves richer.
Last week, we discussed the ten different “upside” investing tactics you can use in 2025 to boost your real estate returns. Today, we’re walking through six of them, in-depth, with investing experts Ashley Kehr and James Dainard. Ashley has been investing in rentals for over a decade, seeing basic properties become home-run rentals over time. James has made millions of dollars flipping houses with HUGE “upside,” he’s teaching you how to do the same, even if you’re only buying rentals.
We’re walking through our favorite “upside” strategies and how to spot the properties that have multiple "upsides" for investors. Follow these steps, and in a few years, the properties you buy in 2025 could become your best investments yet!

In This Episode We Cover:
Why you CAN’T just focus on today’s rent prices/cash flow and how basic properties can become cash flow kings
The “rocket fuel” James used to explode his net worth and real estate portfolio 
Hidden zoning opportunities that most homebuyers have no clue about (MASSIVE price appreciation potential) 
How to pinpoint the “path of progress” so you know exactly where to buy 
Why putting more cash down on a real estate deal is such an underrated move 
And So Much More!

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(00:00) Intro
(03:50) Make Your Future Self Rich
(05:07) Which Properties to Buy?
(09:20) 1. Rent Growth
(13:24) 2. Value-Add
(14:49) 3. Zoning Opportunities
(19:11) 4. More Equity, Less Debt
(22:14) 5. Path of Progress
(26:33) 6. Learning (and Earning)
(29:26) Find YOUR Upside

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One of the most repeatable, scalable ways to build a real estate portfolio is using “The Stack” method. This investing strategy allows you to slowly scale your real estate using low-money-down loans, turning one down payment into multiple properties. It’s one of the smartest, safest ways to build wealth, but it’s almost been forgotten. Today, we’re talking to an investor reviving “The Stack,” using it to build an eight-rental real estate portfolio starting with just $15,000.
Like most investors, Connor Anderson had barely enough money to close on his first house, a condo. He scrounged together just $15,000 to buy his first property and immediately began to rent out the other rooms. But this was just the beginning for Connor.
Over the next few years, Connor slowly turned the rent savings from that one condo into a single-family house, a duplex, and now a fourplex, which he is still house hacking in. The best part? Those properties he used to live in are now cash-flowing rentals WITH equity, which he has used to buy more properties. This is “The Stack” method done the right way, and if you want to safely, slowly, and steadily grow your rental portfolio without a ton of money, this is how to do it. 

In This Episode We Cover:
“The Stack” method and how to use it to build a rental portfolio with little money 
Why you DON’T need to rush building a real estate portfolio to be successful
One investing area that both Connor and Dave are very bullish on 
How Connor scored a zero-dollar-down, off-market duplex 
Interest rate buydowns and other strategies to create cash flow in 2025 
And So Much More!

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(00:00) Intro
(02:36) First Deal for $15,000 (Condo)
(08:23) Home Run Rental for 5% Down (House)
(12:03) Off-Market $0 Down Duplex
(17:36) The “Stack” Method
(23:20) “Turnkey” 5% Down Fourplex
(25:58) How to Find Cash Flow in 2025
(29:00) Best Area to Buy?

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One of the best ways to “live for free” is a strategy almost every successful real estate investor uses at some point in their journey: house hacking. You’ve probably heard of it before—house hacking allows you to significantly reduce (or eliminate) your mortgage/rent payment, so your housing cost hits rock bottom or even zero. This helps you save more money every month, invest faster, and reach financial freedom after a short (but worthwhile) period of sacrifice. 
Which US markets are best for house hacking, getting a great job, and paying next to nothing for housing? We’re presenting four of the best house hacking markets in the country, some of which you’ll probably be tempted to move to. These markets all have lower home prices but respectable wages, things to do, and great rents for you to collect. 
Who better to judge these markets than the man who wrote The House Hacking Strategy, Craig Curelop? Data scientist Austin Wolff is pitching these four real estate markets to Craig and Dave as the house hacking duo votes on whether they’d move to that market to house hack or stay put where they are. 

In This Episode We Cover:
How to reduce (or eliminate) your monthly mortgage/rent payment with house hacking
The different levels of house hacking (comfort vs. profitability) 
What makes a market worthwhile to house hack in (it ISN’T just about the money)
A mountain biking capital with booming job growth and low home prices 
A “smart-grid” affordable city close to two major markets 
Great jobs, an excellent airport, solid schools, and strong growth from this underrated southern market 
Buying a house for under $300K in this city with a sports atmosphere 
And So Much More!

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(00:00) Intro
(01:57) What is House Hacking?
(05:11) Should You Move to House Hack?
(07:51) 1. Fayetteville, Arkansas
(11:59) 2. Chattanooga, Tennessee
(15:39) 3. Charlotte, North Carolina
(20:08) 4. Indianapolis, Indiana
(24:56) How to Start House Hacking

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