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Why Confident Professionals Fall Short When Communicating
18 September 2026

Why Confident Professionals Fall Short When Communicating

9 to 5 Wellness

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Ever wondered why you can nail a presentation with friends but completely freeze when it's time to deliver it to your team or at a big pitch? In this episode of 9 to 5 Wellness, Aesha is joined by Dr. David Lee Fish — a communication expert who's spent decades helping professionals, performers, and athletes close the gap between their expertise and their delivery under pressure.

Dr. Fish's approach has an unusual origin story: it traces back to his early career as a saxophone player and later professor, and to studying under Zen master Seung Sahn. That training led him to a method that closely parallels mindfulness, built around one core idea — acceptance, not resistance, is the key to managing performance anxiety.

In this episode, you'll learn:

    The three factors that trigger performance anxiety — and why 75% of us are wired to feel itThe role of the amygdala ("your internal bodyguard") in fight, flight, or freeze responsesWhy trying to eliminate stage fright entirely is a "dead man's goal" — and what to aim for insteadThe Yerkes-Dodson finding on how the right amount of adrenaline actually improves performanceDr. Fish's practical READ framework for staying composed in high-stakes moments:
      Remember your core values behind the taskEngage fully with what you're doingAccept nervous thoughts and sensations without fighting themDetachment naturally follows
    How to recover gracefully if your mind goes blank mid-presentationWhy the threats get bigger — and the nerves more real — the higher you climb

Memorable moment: Aesha shares advice from her Toastmasters mentor: when you're anxious about forgetting a detail or missing a stat, ask yourself — "Who will know that?"

Find out more about our guest Dr. David Lee Fish below:

    Website: riseup8.comLinkedIn: David Leifes

Time Markers

00:00 Welcome and Episode Setup

01:05 Meet Dr David Lee Fish

02:49 From Saxophone to Zen

06:27 Why We Freeze Under Pressure

08:04 Amygdala and Survival Mode

10:23 First Aid Accept It

13:41 Self Worth vs Symptoms

18:57 Stop Chasing Zero Fear

20:42 Adrenaline Sweet Spot

24:52 READ Framework Explained

30:09 When Your Mind Goes Blank

36:08 Where to Find Dr Fish

37:35 Closing Thanks and Goodbye

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