21 in 21: Matthew Pines
19 August 2025

21 in 21: Matthew Pines

21 in 21

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Haley Berkoe talks with Matthew Pines, Executive Director of the Bitcoin Policy Institute, about bitcoin’s growing role in U.S. policy. They cover building a bitcoin community in DC, how policymakers are treating bitcoin as a strategic asset, the risks of quantum computing and AI, and why this moment feels like one of “high agency and high leverage” for bitcoiners.


TIMESTAMPS:


00:00 Introduction to Matt Pines and his path into bitcoin


02:10 The bitcoin scene in Washington DC


03:47 Shifting policy conversations and bitcoin as a strategic asset


05:12 Advice for bitcoiners engaging policymakers


07:06 What a bitcoin standard world could look like


09:08 Quantum computing risks and government response


13:18 Book recommendation: Global Discord by Paul Tucker


15:09 The intersection of bitcoin and AI


18:02 Dream bitcoin projects still missing in the market


19:42 Spicy take: China vs. U.S. bitcoin holdings


20:30 Optimism for bitcoin’s future and ETF adoption


23:24 Final takeaway: the power of agency


25:27 How to follow Matt and the Bitcoin Policy Institute


FOLLOW:


Matthew Pines: https://x.com/matthew_pines


Bitcoin Policy Institute: https://x.com/btcpolicyorg


Haley Berkoe: https://x.com/HBerkoe


Presidio Bitcoin: https://x.com/PresidioBitcoin


LINKS:


Insights from the Quantum Bitcoin Summit https://presidiobitcoin.substack.com/p/insights-from-the-quantum-bitcoin


Bitcoin Plushie: https://www.uncute.com/collections/everything-else/products/here-comes-bitcoin


WATCH THE SHOW:


https://www.youtube.com/@PresidioBitcoin